The wide sound is impressive, whatever music you listen to. Erp 9 mac, i promised someone that i write a detaield tutorails on this subject so any one can intall it. Tdl rtl3 transmission line speakers, used, for sale. I often fancied buying a pair and was constantly put off by dealers. I ha a pair of tdl rtl3 loudspeakers in rosewood for sale, in good working condition with minor wear and tear due to their age. This newly designed loudspeaker is based on the classic tdl rtl3 while using new modern drive units and crossover in a reflex transmissionline cabinet. Erp 9 and tally tdl all the time so, i dont want to leave my mac so, i learned how to install tally. Piega switzerland prev next about piega was founded in 1986 by passionate audio innovators leo greiner and kurt scheuch. It is clear that the aim of the developers was to tackle difficult but noble task.
Just use better components instead of what most of manufacturers put in their products to save the costs. Tdl rtl3 main stereo speakers for sale online ebay. The 2nd order crossover is a bit odd imo, with a resistive shunt across the basses, looks like the basses are wired in parallel, but it would be a heck of a job to redesign it, though id start with a 5khz notch on the basses. Tdl hi fi speakers nice sound well built and compare to many other classic near field monitors. I have the early version of the rtl 3 identified by full length grill covers and 4 straight sides on the base cones. There is indeed a brace running vertically behind the bass units which strengthens the cabinet and helps reduce resonant effects in the large area of the side panels. This extra bass unit is electrically driven via the crossover network and is of dissimilar but interelated resonance to the upper bass unit and to the length of lirie. I have already replaced the tweeters with scanspeak d29059300 and replaced the internal wiring. But tdl has reduced the speaker even further in size and in price to produce a transmission line speaker tiny enough to be called cute. This is just a quick description of a repair upgrade of a tdl rtl3 floor standing speaker. This explains in part why the tdl rtl3s had an emphasised tizzy top end.
On the left are my custom made transmission line speakers, with the tdl rtl3s on the right and a diva acoustics stand mount on top. The tdl rtl 3 is the perfect partner for a larger room. The tdl rtl3 speakers were developed using tdl s reflex transmission line system, acoustics developed to deliver optimum sound within a smaller cabinet. Great savings free delivery collection on many items. Tdl rtl3 as the largest of the rtl models, one might expect the rtl3 to approximate most closely to the transmission line principle. Creating a new mtm floorstanding speaker using the drivers from the tdl rtl3. Review context the tdl speakers was positioned for the best sound with only one pair of loudspeakers in the listening room at a time, generally some 4 from the rear wall which is faced with books and lps and approximately 5 from the side walls which also have bookshelves covering some of. Licensed to youtube by the orchard music, merlin redeye distribution on behalf of sundazed music, inc. Tdl rtl 2 special edition speaker tweeter crossover sold. The midrage is fine but the upper treble can be a little bit harsh on some music when theres a lot going on. The aim from the beginning was to craft loudspeakers that would accurately reproduce the original performance, an impressive feat that every engineer dreams of conquering. Technical specifications download pdf download data sheet. Detailing the tdl range of relex transmission line loudspeakers, including the rtl 1, rtl 2, rtl 3, rtl 4, nfm 2 and near field monitor models.
They have great bass and a big soundstage, but after opening them up for a peek, im appalled by the flimsy cabinet and kiddietoy crossover so i have decided to use the drivers and build a new enclosure for them. Btw, never liked the the rtl2s much, but a different tweeter can only have improved them, tdl were a bit strapped i think when the rtl range came out in the early 90s, i think both the rtl2 and rtl3 were a bit under engineered, the 3 had some merit in fun and bouncy though, with a decent amp i. The rtl3s high sensitivity at 90db meant that even the smallest of amplifier could produce serious sound levels, down to its two bass units. Tdl electronics complements its transmission line speakers with a range of loudspeaker systems derived from the transmission line principle, each developed in a size and sensitivity to integrate. Indeed, they possess the ability to portray accurately the original performance at realistic sound levels, especially when coupled with powerful amplification. Complete with floor spikes but no front grills excellent condition can demonstrate, the foam in the front ports are just beginning to disintegrate apparently a fai. Added some more damping to the port and this helped control the bass. My beloved tdl rtl3s which served me well during my uni years are now collecting dust. Retaining the fine stereo imaging of their smaller counterparts, room position is not critical, neither are they difficult to drive. The above shows the unsmoothed farfield frequency response of the woofers and tweeter. Is there anyone out there in hifi land still using tdl rtl 3s. Release model series rtl firm tdl electronics promotes undeservedly rarely used now type acoustic design reflex transmission line, or simply a labyrinth represents an alternative to traditional long bass reflex. If you look at the crossover network, theres a resistor across the bass coil iirc and i think from memory that its 15 ohms.
The classic vifa d27tg3506 softdome treble, with its extended upper range of 30khz is one. I was driving them with an audiolab 8000c preamp and 4 x rotel rb970 poweramps with qed silver 12 cable. The rtl3 s high sensitivity at 90db meant that even the smallest of amplifier could produce serious sound levels, down to its two bass units. Tdl rtl2 floor standing speakers in general, bass speaker enclosures can be classified as closed fully sealed or vented through one or more holes ports. I think youre referring to the rtl 3 which appears to be the most widely sold late tdl electronics design probably accounts for half of the proper, pre richersounds tdls you see on fleabay, but this was by no means the only model they were selling at this stage. I find them great for most types of music, with good bass extension and weight, even at lowish volume levels.
As such, the 1 active transmission line als is a stage removed from the slave units employed with reflex enclosures. Can anyone provide me with details of the existing midbase units and a response plot. The quality of the tweeter is far from excellent, but adding an lpad does miracles for it. If you blown your crossover it is good time to make some upgrade to it. Ideal for a larger room, the floor standing speaker was a highly recommend choice against its competitors. Creating a new mtm floorstanding speaker using the drivers. British speaker manufacturer tdl made a few popular speakers in. The rtl3s large footprint and dominance saw it as award winner at what hifis 1995 awards. I now use these as a replacement to the speakers supplied with my kenwood stereo.
Although each type has its advantages and drawbacks, practically all speakers fall clearly into one or the other category. Soft dome, ferrofluidcooled 19mm tweeter units supply the highend range on the tdl. Tdl rtl3 reflex transmission line speakers combined postage is offered but only for items paid for and posted together. Tdl electronics rtl 3 manual reflex transmission line.
Buy tdl home speakers and subwoofers and get the best deals at the lowest prices on ebay. I am currently doing a few minor modsupgrades namely. Tdl in many of their speakers over the years and some imfs before featured a recessed midband and the rtl3 was a classic in this respect. Having eventually chased up some original now mk2 replacements from the company that bought their spares i was dissapointed to find that they sounded awful. Although the components used here are specific to this repair job, the technique described can be used where any speaker change or upgrade requires an in place enlargement of a baffle cutout. It is clear that the aim of the developers was to tackle difficult but noble task of. I have seen various reccomendations for tweaking the rtl2s but very little on their larger brothers. On further analysis and measurement it was apparent that the tweeter needed padding down which was not part of the original crossover.
Above right is the original tdl rtl3 crossover, and the new one with only an lpad added is on the left. Reference recording before upgrading crossover caps and cabinet damping. Tdl rtl rebuild crossover and measurements ive done such kind of things with many of speakers, it really improve the sound. I personally owned and used a pair of tdl rtl3s for 18 months now and was most impressed with their performance.
Indeed, i immediately noticed an unnatural huskiness in her voice that could clearly be heard to resonate in her lower registers. I have a pair of rtl4s and am really struggling to find any info on them. Recently answering a question at quora about how to install tally. The tdl stereo speakers feature twin 172mm bass drivers with loaded polypropylene cones and phase plugs with longthrow doublewound coils on kapron formers. The first thing i found with these, was atmospheric the sound was. Two bass units within these reflex transmission line loudspeakers further enhance bass performance, contributing to increased sensitivity and additional power handling.